Welcome to our podcast, where we encourage you to look for opportunities in your life to see a beautiful view. I'm candy. 

And I'm Paul. Today we are going to feature our fur babies, grace. And Tipper is somewhere. I think she's down in front of Gracie. There. We got a kind of a different set up today, and we're going to see if they're going to cooperate a little. Maybe. Maybe not. Or they may just knock a camera. Over who knows? But they are a huge part of our family and they bring so much joy to our lives. We're going to discuss all the ways that having pets makes life sweeter. 

We are looking so forward to sharing with you again, so sit back, relax and enjoy the beautiful view! 

Hello, welcome to the Beautiful View podcast. We're so glad that you're here with us again today. Thanks for hanging out with us. We've had a another week. I don't know where these weeks go, but we celebrated your birthday this week. 

Yes. 

He did? Yes, I got older. 

And yeah, unfortunately, we spent the day on the couch because you were not feeling well, so. 

I wasn't. I wasn't well. But I'm feeling a lot better now and. And actually Tyler wasn't well before me. So he it's his. Fault. He he. 

I say I say unfortunately, but it was kind of Nice just to like not do a lot that. 

It was nice to just. I mean, we watched TV all day which like never happens. Ever. Yeah, it's been a busy week and we're continuing to prepare for winter. Mm-hmm. So this part of the year, we we have this big old Maple tree in the back yard and that Maple tree every year dumps a whole bunch of leaves. And then usually at some point. 

So many leaves. 

In the winter or in the early. Spring, one of the branches falls off of it because it's so old that that it seems like the branches keep dying off one at a time, and then the woodpeckers get after the dead branches and drill holes. 

Yeah. 

All the way through. 

Yeah. And then that makes them weak and they freeze and crunch. 

Yeah. And that makes them weak. And then they and the 1st and then boom, they fall off. So but. We raked up leaves yesterday and got them all transferred over to our neighbours yard where they're using them as mulch. Yeah, so that was, that was a good use for them. Mm-hmm. So if you're watching the video, you will. 

See the edit points. Usually that they usually I hide them really well, but suddenly dogs will appear. On the couch in front of us. So. That's just the. Way it's going to be. I also got the oil change done on the truck. Mm-hmm. So that is done and ready for for both our trip to Texas, which we're heading to Texas and for Thanksgiving. Yeah. 

Yeah. Tyler starts this next week. He has basketball camp, so basketball is about to kick off. 

Yeah, he does. He is so looking forward to it. He's anxious to get back to playing basketball again. It's like one of his favorite things to do. So yeah. 

Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot of fun today. As we mentioned earlier, we are introducing you to our dogs, tipper and Gracie. 

We're going to give you a little bit of a glimpse into their world and we're going to talk about how having pets enriches our lives. 

It certainly does. We have always had pets since we've been married. We have and when we first got married. You had your cat that you had had since your childhood. 

Yeah, little Tootsie. She lived to be 18 years. 

Old she was an old cat. 

Yes. 

She was she was a house cat. She never went outside. So she she was kind of a small little thing. But I love she had a little triangle white triangle over her nose, which I always thought just made her super special. We adopted her when I was about 12 years old from a freak. 

Box outside of someones house. 

I guess when you could do. That kind of thing. 

Yeah, I mean, I don't know if that's kosher anymore, but she was a very Pretty Little Kitty, but she was a little Moody, I think either her mom or dad was probably feral. She was. 

Yeah, she was. Yeah, that would be my guest. 

Too. She, you know, she was a little. She had some quirks for sure, but she especially was Moody when you wouldn't let her in our bedroom anymore. Because since I was 12 years old, she had slept right beside my head on my pillow. 

Uh-huh. Yeah. So she was kind of upset with me about that. So, but you know. 

Things change. Yeah. So my family growing up always had a pet cat or three and or a dog for as long as I can. 

No, they did for her. 

Remember. My dad worked on a milk truck and he would go around from farm to farm picking up milk. From dairy farms in the summer times, I would get to go with him. So when I was 891011 years old, Mm-hmm. I would. He would go and pick up the milk truck. He would drive outside of the depot, where he had gotten it from. I would jump on board the truck and I'd go with him and we get to travel around the farms and of course, every farm that we went to. Always seem to have 20 or 30 cats roaming around, especially on dairy farms, because the food is all like tied in there. So every now and again my dad would bring home a cat that caught his eye. So actually the first pet that I can remember vaguely remember was a big standard poodle. 

Called Prince. 

OK. 

But Prince didn't last very long. We grew up in a house above a storefront. And that was right on one of the main highways into London. 

Uh oh. 

And so Prince took off, jumped over the gate, and he got ran over. Ohh, so our first farm cats that came to live with us permanently were Tigger and then tiny. And they were both tabby cats. Then we got a dog named Gemma. That was a kind of a black and white mix. 

OK. 

And then when I was in my early teens, my grandma came to live with us, and she had a black and white cat named. City make sure I pronounce that right and she moved in with us and the cat moved with her. So. And when I was in my early teens, my grandma came to live with us. So we were looking after her, and she brought with her her little black and white cat. 

OK. No you can't. Do all the time. Lay down, lay down. MHM. 

It was named city, so named because she kind of looked like she had been drugged up a chimney, so she hadn't. 

OK. Poor Kitty. 

Uh-huh. But she moved in with us. And so we had three cats around the house for most of my childhood. OK. 

Rain. 

Then, after we had been married for several years, we ended up with our first dog called Abby. Yeah. 

Dear Abby was originally my little brother's dog, but when he moved out of my parents house, he moved into a rental that didn't allow pets, so she ended up staying at my parents house, and there was one year. They were going on a vacation to. Other and needed somebody to take care of Abby while they were away. So we took Abby for the week and she. 

Yeah. And she she got attached to us. 

She she got attached to us and we got attached to her. So when my parents got back we had a little conversation and like, you know, what would you think if we just went ahead and kept Abby? So they were fine with that. And it was really. She was just such a good fit. 

Ah. Mission. Capture. Yeah, yeah. 

For the kids and for us and. 

She was she was getting older. She mellowed out. 

Was so spoiled we. Got her. We got her like a memory foam mattress. Assertive dog bed and all the things for her old achy joints and. 

Yeah. Yes. 

Yeah. 

Because she was kind of a a little bit of a farm dog before that. 

She was, yeah, she kind of. She spent most of her time outside before we had her. And then she became a house dog pretty quickly. And she was a very good girl. 

Yeah, she had a great retirement. 

She did. She did. She was a little black lab mix, so she actually she's. She was a little bit bigger than what Tipper is now, but a very similar kind of look to her and stuff. So little, little huskier, but. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 

Her only fault really was that she was a runner. Ohh my gosh. 

Yeah, we had to. We had to keep a very close eye on her. I think she got out maybe once or twice. With. Us and we had to drive all over the neighborhood to find her. 

I remember one time I was nine months pregnant with Tyler. I mean, and she you were at work and she got out, ran across a busy Rd. 

I was at work. 

Food around the duck pond started chasing the ducks. That's when we lived in Midland. And I mean, I just. I was frantic. I just knew she was gonna get hit by a car. And I'm big, fat pregnant running behind her. Her. 

Yeah. 

Baby, come back, you know. 

Because I'm sure it was quite a sight, so I ended up giving up on that and went back and got the. 

Yeah, yeah. 

Car and kind of coerced her with treats into the car and. 

Yeah. Yeah, and she was usually like, really sort of Placid. She would just be sitting around somewhere. But as soon as she saw an opportunity, she would she just running the straight line. She was gone across. 

Ouch. To run. Was off. 

The country it's gone. 

She she lived to be 12 years old. She lived a long, very happy life. And you know when it started getting to the point where we knew that she was slowing way down and her life was coming to an end, we begin to think about, you know, the possibility of getting another dog. 

She did? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Coming to an end. Yeah. Yeah. We really wanted to keep a keep a dog in our. House. And so the Midland County fair was coming up and we decided that year we were gonna go along and and see what the Midland County fair was all about. Yeah, and. 

Hmm. 

It was. We didn't know there were puppies. 

No, we didn't know there were puppies. So we get to the horseshoe arena, which is a really impressive Event Center, massive building. And so we walk right in the door there and as we walk in the door, suddenly there's the sound of puppies everywhere. So I walk in there and you were you guys were somewhere behind me. 

Mm-hmm. 

And so I go in and I see I see all these puppies and little pens all over, you know, all over the room there. Mm-hmm. And it's kind of like an entrance hall to the place. Yeah. So there was like a pet. 

MM. 

Rescue. Yeah, yeah. Situation there where they brought along the dogs that they needed to find homes for, and so I looked across. 

MHM. 

At this, there was a girl and she was sitting in one of the pens that had was empty by that point. I think a lot of the dogs had actually been adopted and she was sitting there up against the wall with tip. 

Uh-huh. 

Her, like curled up in her lap and and tickle, was licking on her chin and she was just petting her and petting her, and I took one look at Tipper and I said can I hold her? And so I picked her up and as soon as I picked her up, she started licking my chin. 

Uh-huh. 

And. And you guys were, I mean. 

We were still looking at other dogs. Tyler was looking at these little datsuns and little little tiny dogs, and we were just kind of checking them all out. They were all so cute and and then the next thing I know I looked up and I was like, where's your daddy? And then I see you. You're already sitting over at the table signing. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. Yeah. The paperwork, yeah. 

Papers like what is happening? Grace. 

Yeah, I was signed. I was signing the paperwork for Tipper. And so I I came to you and I said OK, I need 70 bucks or whatever it was, I need 70 bucks right now, cause I've just bought. 

Yeah. 

Myself. And tipper. So she came home with us that day. Yeah. Yeah. 

Yeah, she was very sweet. The kids were really excited and we weren't done at the fair, so we carried her around like. A little baby. For the rest of the day. That was really cute. She is. 

Grace is getting really involved. 

So and we got Tipper in August before we started traveling full time in our RV in July of the next year. So she wasn't even a year old when we hit the road in. 

Yes. 

The RV so. She basically grew up on the road, she she loves riding in the truck. 

You're bad. 

Even still, we say ohh, I said the word. 

Maybe you did shoot. 

So I I have to go to the post office most days and check our mailbox. 

Right. 

And so when I go there, I'll say to tip you want go right for right in the truck and then she does that and then she heads out there and she sits with me and she's really she's really excited when we get a check in the in the mailbox because then we get to go to. 

Oh. 

The. Bank. And then when we go to the bank to pay in the check, she gets the little treat through the window. 

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Ohh, it's very. 

Don't you the the sellers there keep dog treats and so. 

It's very special. She knows the routine. She's a very smart girl. 

So you get very happy about that. But she's always been very, very good in. The truck and. 

M. 

And I'd love to travel. 

Her favorite is when we pull into state parks, she can smell all the smells. It doesn't matter what state it is or where we are. She knows if we're in a State Park. Yeah. And the funniest thing is when we go to my parents house, she knows as soon as we round the corner. 

MHM. No. 

Ohh yeah. 

To not my parents Rd. but the road before that, the highway before we get to my parents. 

No wait way back. 

This road she knows and she starts going crazy in the back seat because she loves Papa. 

I think. 

Mm-hmm. And I think she knows all the smells around there too. So we're like, door to door. The the trip to your parents house from here is 1500 miles. And and she literally like in that last, I don't know. 5-6 miles knows where she's at. 

I think so. Yeah. She knows it is the funniest thing. 

She's so funny. And then our latest edition, who just jumped out of the frame is is Gracie and and Gracie. She was a part of a litter of golden retriever puppies that were rescued from an Amish puppy mill and her mom she she was just real sick. 

Yeah, sweet squeak. Yeah. 

She had had 14 puppies. Yeah, and 13 of the puppies survived and Gracie was one of those. 

Yeah, she was one of them. We had been kind of watching the story or I had on Facebook for several weeks with the rescue and. The mom was severely anemic. They ended up having to take the puppies C-section and they were worried about her surviving and the puppies surviving. But everything went pretty well. I mean, that's a huge litter of puppies. So but they started. They started looking to. 

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. 

Get applications to find homes for all of the puppies and I had, so we were actually we were sitting out on family land. Paul and I were that day when I've seen the I was scrolling Facebook. We're just sitting out there. 

And you've been keeping an eye on it, hadn't you? 

Talking or whatever. 

And I think I asked you, I think I asked you so where are? We at on those puppies. 

Yeah. So I pulled it up and I'm like, oh, my gosh, they have applications. So I'm like, do we should we do it? And you're like, yeah, let's go for it. So. So we applied for one sitting there in Texas and filling out that application online and then in a few days, we get a notification that we, our application, had been accepted. So that was very exciting. 

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yes. 

So back story on that was for the longest time our son Tyler. Had been asking for his own dog and cause. Tipper is very much like a family dog. She's yeah, she loves, she loves everybody, but she just never really attached really to Tyler. So he had really wanted his own dog. And so we ended up keeping it a secret from him. So when we got back. 

Yes. 

And it was time to go pick a puppy. Yeah, we loaded. Emily was in on the secret. And so we loaded everybody up in the car. 

Uh-huh. 

And we drove into Dubuque, which is where the puppies were at a foster home, and we Tyler's like. 

MHM. Where are we? What are we? 

Where are we? What are we doing? Whose house is this? What's happening? Because we were being very secretive so. 

Uh-huh. We were being very secretive. 

We go up to. The door we ring the doorbell. There's some gentleman leaving as we're coming in, so that so he's just like Tyler is so confused. So that's when I. 

Who had obviously seen the puppies. What right going on? 

Got to break the news to him too. We are here for you to pick your. Very own puppy. 

Yeah, he can. 

And he's like. He was so excited, so we got to go down in the basement and that all the puppies were down there and we had specified that we wanted a girl because Tipper tends to do better with other female dogs. So we we decided we wanted another girl, so he got to pick from the girls and. 

Yes. 

The the lady picked the first one up and handed it to him and. 

Yeah. 

He just like, I mean, they just they were tiny, so she snuggled down and he was like he was just instantly in love. And I said, do you want to hold another one? 

And she snuck it. Yeah, and she. 

There's another one he's like? Nope. 

He said he's like, how can I like change my mind now? So. 

Yeah, he had already imprinted or whatever. 

You call it. 

Yeah. So then we. He told him that he could name her and you were really worried about that. 

Yeah. I was. I was so concerned because at the time, Tyler was really into like, Pokémon Go and I was worried that like, this poor puppy would end up with some really weird Pokémon name. 

Uh-huh. 

But he didn't. He didn't pick a weird name. No. 

He didn't, and he picked it pretty instantly. He was like. It's crazy and I was like ohh, that's so perfect. 

Gracie. Who's currently chasing her tail around on the floor. 

She is so. Gracie got to go on her first big adventure last year in the spring, she was a completely winter pup. She was born November 28th. By the time she got to go outside in her life. 

Yes. Yep. 

It there was snow on the ground, so she had never seen anything but snow on the ground. So we made the transition when we left Iowa, there was snow on the ground. We got to Texas and there was grass and wild flowers and butterflies and we got there in the early spring and caught wildflower season. And she was just. 

Yes. And so yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

If she wanted to explore everything so she did great in the truck. 

Every. 

She did? Yeah. Yeah, she did fantastic. Which is a good job because, like with us, if if you're coming along for the ride, you better be ready to travel some some distances. So. But she did fantastic in the truck and just kind of enjoyed being with us. 

Smiles. 

Yeah. 

And did a really good job. She doesn't like the heat so much down there. 

No, the heat was rough on her. She she really struggled with that. And it. Yeah. So. And she's also got long fur and I imagine it is hot. So we just lots of water and air conditioning. And so when we got Gracie. 

Yeah. She's a snow baby. Yeah. Ohh yeah, it is hot. It's hot for all of us. 

Since she was Tyler's dog, we it was like, what does she what do we call us? You know? I mean, we're not mom and dad with tipper. We, like, go see Mom. Go see dad. You know, but with Gracie. 

Yeah, yeah. We suddenly became grandparents. I mean, you know, this is Tyler's dog. So we decided we needed grandparent names. Yeah. And so pretty quickly, the name for me was decided as grumpy. 

Just. 

Yeah. Which is very I think it's fitting. 

For whatever reason. And then you became Grandy. Grandy. Yes. 

So. Yeah. So then Tyler, for his first Father's Day, we decided we'd get him something extra special. So we got him the cutest shirt with Gracie's face all over it. So, yeah, that was really fun. He he got a big kick out of that. 

Covered in Gracie's face. 

So our dogs, both of them, which is what Gracie is asking for right now, they love to go outside and play. I'm going to spell it Bal. Here's the deal. It doesn't matter how many of those round objects we have. 

R. 

They want the same one. 

They do, and if they lose 1, they've lost all. Of them. 

Ohh yes. Ohh yeah. 

You know, so like you might have 3 or 4 BAL's. 

Around on the floor. 

And the one that you threw if if it rolled off under the bed in the next room or something, then then she is to. It's like, no, we gotta find the one that's lost. We have to find the one that's. 

Mm-hmm. Yep. No, no, I want the one under the bed or I want the one under the chest or under the couch or whatever. And she, she'll just lay there with the saddest look on her face. Gracie will, until you go and get her. Lost one. 

Lost. Never mind. That there are three others. 

Yeah. So you go. 

Now you tend to spoil them a lot. Would you like to confess your UM? 

Well. 

Since umm hmm. 

It's there's no sense. 

And you look at him, why wouldn't you? Now I do tend to add like they got their dry food that they have all the time and but I do like to add I think at first I started off with some green beans and they do like a few green beans with their kibbles. 

Mm-hmm. 

Yeah. Mm-hmm. 

And then you know, every now and again they'll get, you know, if there's like, a a piece of meat left over after we've had a meal. Mm-hmm. I'll keep it in the refrigerator and I'll chop it up in little cubes and sprinkle a few cubes of meat in there. So this morning, they may or may not have had. 

Mm-hmm. 

Has a few green beans, some diced up roast lamb. And and then we sprinkle some kibbles on top of that. So. 

Like sprinkles? 

Yeah, sprinkles on the top of of a cake or whatever. Yeah. So so they they I'm buying their love. 

Ohh my word. I'm giving up because I don't even know how to fix their meals anymore. They just look at me like, is that it? 

Is that is that all you're gonna do? But yeah, I I mean, I like to make sure that they they get some some a nice rounded diet rounded out diet, you know. Yeah, but yeah, they they're usually pretty happy with me over that. 

So. 

Yeah. They also both love to go for WALK's, and Tipper knows how to spell. 

They like to go for walks but. Typically if you can. The funny thing is, is when they go for those with us strolls, we call them strolls. When they go for a stroll with us. 

Yes, yes, yes. 

They both of them usually like to find a stick, and tipper will pick out the straightest stick that she can find. 

MHM. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's very, very personality driven like. 

I mean. Yes. Yes, tip her she she can carry quite a long stick, but it has to be really, really straight. Now. Gracie is a little different. She's a little more creative. 

Gracie. She's our. 1. She likes the sticks with all the crazy branches that curl back around the back of her head and and then she twists her head too, and she's carrying. 

Ohh yeah. I mean branches all over the place and she just. Sinks it off and then sticks start as a little twig. Start breaking off of the stick and she just loves that. So she's a she's our creative type. 

She does. She's funny. She she's. She's got a little sense. Of humor too, yeah. 

She does. So where do our dogs? 

Sleep well. It kind of varies. So tipper, when we lived in the RV, when she was little, she pretty much slept with us most of the time we have in the RV, we have a king size bed, so there's plenty of room. 

Yeah. 

For her, she's not real. Real big so. 

No. 

No, she would sleep. 

Then when we. Yeah. Yeah, we're on the couch. It just kind of depended on where she landed for the night. She wasn't super picky, but in the house she wanted to sleep with us in our bed. But we only have a queen size bed in the house. So that got a little snug and she has a bad habit of, like, getting between your legs so that you can't. 

With the kids sometimes as well in. The bunk room. 

MHM. Yeah. 

Turn over at night so. It's ended up. She now sleeps with Emily. So yeah, because Emily also has a queen size bed to herself. And Gracie started out sleeping with Tyler for some reason. She decided that she would rather sleep with us on our queen size bed. That was 2. 

She does. She has plenty of. Room with Emily. Yeah. On our queen size bed, this big dog, yeah. 

Yes. So that was too small for a little tipper and is definitely too small for a giant Gracie. But. 

Too small for the golden retriever? Yeah. 

She just she started kind of fighting Tyler when he tried to get her to go upstairs and he'd have to bribe her with treats and stuff like that. So he kind of gave up on that most nights, but sometimes she still will go up there and sleep with him. But she's also gotten to where she's kind of figured out, like, which spots to sleep in that she doesn't get. 

Yeah. Yeah. Which spots to sleep in? 

In trouble so. 

Just get kicked out. 

So she's learning. 

The great thing about having dogs is they're also great emotional support. 

Ohh yes they are and also stress and Comic Relief half of the time. 

You know. Yeah, yeah, there's plenty of things to laugh at. What I love is like there'll be sometimes when I'll wake up early in the morning and then I can't sleep. And then either Gracie or Tipper will come up to me and cuddle up and, you know, and then that just calms you right down. But they are, they are just fantastic. 

Yeah. 

Mm-hmm. 

Will support animals as well. 

They are. They can just sense when you need a a cuddle. 

Yeah. Yep. 

A recent survey that examined 1000 pet owners and 1000 people without pets got some pretty interesting results. It found that people with furry friends tend to spend more time outdoors, exercise more often, feel more loved. 

MHM. Mm-hmm. 

And are just generally happier than those without a dog or a cat, often by significant margins. 

So you're saying that having pets is good for you? 

Health, apparently so studies have shown that pet owners are less likely to suffer from depression than those without pet. People with pets have lower blood pressure in stressful situations than those without pets. One study even found that when people with borderline hypertension adopted dogs from a shelter, their blood pressure declined significantly within five months. 

Huh. Also playing with a dog or a cat or any other pet can elevate levels of serotonin and dopamine, which calm and relax. Pet owners have measurably healthier hearts than those without pets. 

Mm-hmm. 

Heart attack patients with pets survive longer than those without, and pet owners over the age of 65, which I'm getting there make 30% fewer visits to their doctors than those without pets. 

How interesting our dogs can sense when we need them. After my mom passed away, I know Gracie was so sweet. She wanted to be right next to me. I think she could just feel that and, you know, and when I would get upset, she would lick my tears. 

Yes. Yeah. 

Ohh. 

She was just so gentle. And she's not always very gentle. You may have actually seen that today, but in that moment, she instinctively knew that that was exactly what I needed. Sweet. 

No, she's not. Right, right. Puppy pets are amazing. They bring us so much joy. They're part of our family and they give unconditional love. 

I can only think of one other who gives love so unconditional. Romans 58 tells us, but God demonstrates his own love for us in this while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. We don't deserve salvation. We don't deserve his love, but he loves us so much that he gave his life for us. 

John, 316 says for God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. There is no greater love. 

I don't know about you, but I am so thankful for the love of Jesus and the blessing of these precious creatures. He allows us to care for who in return, bring us joy and generally make life more beautiful. 

Yes. 

Thank you for joining us today. Whether you are a pet owner or not, we hope you enjoyed getting to know our fur babies. They truly bring us so much joy. So what are we going to talk about in our next episode? 

Well, our next episode is going to be called a Grateful Heart. In honor of the upcoming Thanksgiving holiday. Yeah, this year has been a year of extreme highs and extreme lows for us. And but we're going to talk about remaining grateful when things are hard and we're also going to share some of the things that we are extremely grateful for this. 

Here. 

We hope it will inspire you to think about the things that you. Are grateful for. In the mean time, while we're getting this podcast ready for you, we would like to invite you to go back and listen to a previous. 

Episode yes, we have put ourselves in a very unique situation with this podcast. 

Not many married couples get to go back and listen to their conversations. But not only do we get to do that after we've recorded each one of these podcasts, but we go ahead and publish them for y'all to listen. To as well. 

You're welcome. We. Turned really early on that if I didn't put questions in for you to ask me, then you would just talk and I would have a hard time getting back into the conversation. So there's that. There's definitely been a lot of trial and figuring out what works best. 

Yes, yes. Yes. 

And I mean, you tend to lose your thoughts a lot, squirrel. And I also don't want this episode. To be a pick. On Paul show. 

Which it could very easily be. And and with and with reason so. 

Yeah. Well, I mean, I honestly think this outline is probably the hardest one I've done so far for that reason, because I don't want it to seem like I'm just. Dogging on you? 

Yeah. I think guys have a problem with. 

Communicating so, initially knowing that I tried to script the whole thing to avoid any kind of communication, folks pause. But I also love it when we go off script where it feels more like a natural conversation between us. But then knowing you well, I started dropping out some of the scripting. 

Uh-huh. Yes. Uh-huh. 

Mm-hmm. 

Uh-huh. 

Asking you very direct questions along the way. Yes. And then scripting and questions for you to after you got through saying what you were saying to throw the conversation back to me. Yeah. So what is it like to listen back to our recorded conversations when you're editing each episode? 

It's honestly difficult because the the punishment is contained within the recording, so there are times when you. Offer me up a question and I just have completely ignored what you said and then you're very graciously OfferUp the question again. 

Yeah. 

And usually, like when we're looking at each other across from our microphones, you're like you're doing the look on your face like you got right now. Yeah, with the raised. 

Mm-hmm. 

Eyebrows like Paul? Maybe you've missed something. Where? 

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